Hot water into softener?

Are there any issues with supplying a water softener from a hot water pipe?  We are installing an espresso machine with a small manual flush softener, and the hot water pipe passes directly overhead, so that would be the preferred source if there are no issues.  Will a softener (plastic bead type) work properly with hot water input?

Answer: You can’t supply hot water to a standard water softener.  While standard cation exchange resin can be compatible with hot water, the softener tank, riser tube,  and valve body must all be specially configured for hot water use.  Using hot water is common in many commercial applications (like supplying water to a dishwasher) however, special valve bodies like the Fleck 4650, or the hot water version of the Fleck 2750 are required.  You may also need to use a vinylester FRP hot water tank.  If you would like us to quote on this application, just send an email to us at info@caitechnologies and describe the application.

20,000 or 27,000 grain capacity?

I am currently shopping for  water softener. I am looking at the Morton systems, however, I do not know if I need a 20,000 or 27,000 grain system. How do I know? My son and I live in a condo. We do approximately 4 small loads of laundry / week and have a dishwasher that runs once or twice a week.

Answer: It really depends on your water hardness, but assuming that you are using municipal water, the smaller of the two sizes that you mentioned should be fine.  By the way, this brand is an entry level system, and you might want to shop around.  Commercial quality systems with far better warranties can be obtained for only a slightly higher price (industry standard systems that would work for you application are normally 24,000 grain capacity in size).  You can find out more about sizing a system on our “Selecting The Correct Sized Water Softener” on our site.  

water softener motor

I have an approx. 12 yr. old Culligan Mark 59 with a bad motor.  The teeth of one gear is stripped.  It is a M007, 3w 115v 60hz (Ithink it is a Mallory motor).  Where can I go to locate this motor?-Barry

Answer: The Culligan product is proprietary and the only company that we are aware of that can supply parts is Culligan.  You will need to contact a local dealer to obtain you replacement motor.

Water leaks from resin tank

I have a MacClean water softner model CS 1001 two tank system. There is a small amount of water leaking from the resin tank onto the floor. The o-rings at the valve and adapter have been replaced. The system is around 6 years old. Could the tank have a crack? Can it be repaired? It is a fiberglass tank. Do you have any ideas?

Answer:  First, be sure to confirm that it is the tank seal that is leaking.  In other words, this is  the point at which the valve screws into the tank.  Sometimes a leak on the valve body flows down onto the tank, and it can appear as if that is where the leak is coming from.  If this is a possibility, dry the tank and valve well, and place a dry paper towel over suspected leak positions.  This will help you to identify where the leak is coming from.

If the leak is determined to be coming from the valve, valve parts are easy to replace.  However, if the leak is coming from the tank, and you have already replaced the tank o-ring and this has not helped, it is likely that you will require a replacement tank.  A 6-year old water softener is still fairly new, and we would recommend you rebuild it.  You can take a look at some of the one that we offer on our “Tank & Tank Parts” page.  It’s likely that you will also want to replace the resin and gravel contained within the tank – we offer these also on our “Chemicals, Resin and Filter Media” page.

 

Can a water softener lower pH?

Based on laboratory analysis of the well water in my newly purchased home, I recently installed an A400 water softener (for high Arsenic), air injector (for hydrogen sulphide smell) and iron filter (for high iron) but have now noticed a blue film on my shower floor.  I have retested the water and found that the equipment is doing its job (minimal arsenic, minimal iron, no smells) but it is now high in lead and copper and showing a pH of 5.2.  Trouble is, I rechecked the ‘pre-treatment’ water (sample taken before pressure tank and water softener/iron filter) and have no copper or lead problem and the pH shows 6.0.  The company who sold/installed my equipment says it will not lower my pH but something is going on in the few ft between the pressure tank and my faucet and the only thing there is this new (now 8 months old) equipment.  What is your opinion on this matter and do you have any suggested remedies? Thank-you.

Answer: Purolite A400 (apparently used in your sostener) is a clear gel Type I strong-base anion exchange resin.  Anion exchange resins are different from common household cation exchange resins that are used for water softening.  Anion exchange resins perform specific tasks, but will lower the pH of your water as it passes through the bed.  This is probably the cause of your blue staining.  It is typical to install a pH neutralizer to correct the water pH to within an acceptable range of 7.0 to 7.8 units after passing through an anion exchanger. Selecting the correct type of pH neutralization system depends on your  specific  water quality, and you can find additional information about this on our site.

A Couple of Questions, I’m frustrated.

I have a couple of questions.

1. Will it negate the softening process if only my hot water is softened?  In my ideal location the cold water has already branched off to the bathrooms, which seems it would do no good for bathing.  The laundry and kitchen are after this location.

2. If I place it at the main entry of the line (at the meter), the nearest location to drain it is around 30 feet away.  Will this work?  The booklet with my softener says to increase the hose diameter for anything over 25 feet.

3. If I do use the long drain hose, the closest drain is the actual ejector pit.  Can I install a pipe through the lid ( with a collar/gasket) and bring it to the wall leaving the top of it open to receive the water from the drain hose?

4. Last one, I promise.  How important is the 2″ gap in between the drain hose and the actual drain pipe?

Answer: Although you can soften only the hot water, most household water use is cold, and it would be a poor compromise, as your cold water would not be softened at all.  In addition, bath & laundry water would be only partially softened.

You should have no problem with sending water to drain 30 feet away.  Just take care to minimize the vertical head pressure – horizontal distance to drain only adds a minor amount of backpressure.  Make sure the inside diameter of your drain line is a minimum of ½ inch.

Your plan for the drain location should work, but we are not plumbers, and this may be in violation of local plumbing codes.  We would recommend that you check to see if this meets your local code before proceeding with this plan.

Use of an air-gap in a water softener drain that is connected to a sewage system is very important.  2 inches is the normal recommendation.  You want to be sure that there is never a possibility of reverse siphoning (i.e. pulling sewage water into the household water if there is a malfunction).  Water can’t “jump” through air, so a simple air-gap drain eliminates this possibility completely.

Solidified salt in bottom of tank

My 15+ year old water softener has a solidified mass of salt in the bottom of the tank about 6″ thick.  What caused this; normal?  And what is the best method to remove it?  Can I disconnect it and take tank outside and turn it upside down?  I am cleaning it out due to junk in the tank and was advised to clean it out completely by water softener company.

Answer: A water softener refills water into the brine tank in order to make a brine solution that is used during automatic regeneration.  Over time, as the water level rises and recedes, salt pellets (or granules) in the tank can adhere to each other and cause the problem you are referring to.  This is a very prevalent problem when using a square brine tank, or brine tank without a salt platform (also called a salt grid).  It’s a good idea to have a round brine tank containing a salt platform – having this design helps to prevent this problem from occurring.  However, even with a round tank and grid, you can still occasionally find this problem.  We recommend that you should not fill your brine (salt) tank more than ½ full – this will help prevent the problem from occurring again in the future.

You can disconnect the brine tank, and take it outside for cleaning.  You might try a high pressure garden hose, but you will probably have to add hot water to the salt plug to dissolve it more readily.  Be careful if upending the tank – the walls of a brine tank are not very strong, and you do not want to damage the tank.

Water turned off; effect on softener

I occasionally turn my water off when we leave the house for several days in the winter months.  I have never turned my softener off and realize it tried to cycle with the water off.  Will this hurt the softener?  I wrote earlier about a red residue in the tank and wonder if this could have contributed to resin being deposited in the tank or not.  Thanks much.

Answer: This should not damage the water softener in any way.  When your water is turned off, pressure is maintained in your household piping until some water is used and pressure is relieved.  When the water softener goes into backwash (normally the first stage in a traditional down-flow water softener) the pressure is relieved – and from that point on the motor continues to turn – but nothing is really happening that effects the softener.  However, in the future, we would recommend that you by-pass the water softener and unplug the control.  When you return home, run the water softener through two sequential manual regenerations, and then you should be “good-to-go”.

Resin loss during regeneration

I have an Autotrol 255 valve on my softner.  Twice in recent months, I find approx 1/2 cup of resin from my softner after regeneration.  Does anyone have an idea where to look for the problem.  Thank you.

Answer: The cause of the problem would depend on where you are seeing the resin accumulate.  We are assuming that you notice this coming out of the backwash drain line after regeneration.  If this is the case, there are a few possibilities.  Your resin might be breaking down due to long term exposure to chlorine.  Municipal water supplies may have higher chlorine levels in some areas, and cause damage to resin over time.  If there is no chlorine in your water, you may have periodic high water pressure spikes that cause the resin contained within the bed to exit to drain during the backwashing.  Another possibility is that there may be air contained in your water.  Air can come from a leaky fitting in your inlet water supply piping, a leaky well pressure tank, a problem with the municipal delivery system – there are a number of possibilities.  If a large volume of air enters the softener during regeneration, it can cause extreme agitation of the resin bed, and also send resin to drain.  By the way, using an upper screen (screen installed within the resin tank onto the bottom of the valve) will prevent this problem from occurring.

If you are finding the resin in your household water supply piping, and this is a new installation, then check to be sure your inlet and outlet connections are not reversed.  Another possibility would be that the basket screen found on the end of your riser tube (center tube found within the resin tank) may be broken and permitting resin to enter your household  piping.

How to clean air check?

We have an Autotrol 155 and it is not producing enough soft water.  We cleaned the screen and injector, and changed it to regen every other day (there are 2 of us), but that did not seem to help.  We have the brine setting at 8.  The aircheck is full of “rusty” water (as well as the tubing).  Would it help to clean this and if so how do we clean this?

Answer:  Probably won’t help – but if it’s dirty - it won’t hurt either.   To clean the air check, by-pass the unit, and take the pressure off the water softener control by placing the system into the backwash position.  Simply remove the two brass screws found at the base of the plastic housing, remove and clean out the housing.

It is more likely that the resin bed within the water softener is starting to become fouled with accumulated iron deposits.  You can use a commercially available preparation (like “Iron-Out”) that is designed for cleaning a water softener resin bed.  Instructions for using this material can be found on the product label – available at most “big box” stores.

Depending on the size of your unit, you might also try an increase in the salt (brine) setting to 12 pounds.

Floating residue in tank

I have a 16 yr old Rain Soft system that has “sawdust like” material floating in the water at the bottom of the tank which I noticed when I went to add salt.  I scooped it out and added more water and it looks yucky, with brown areas in the water.  Any idea what’s going on?

Answer: There are a few possibilities.  First it may simply be dirt that was present in the incoming water.  In a standard design down-flow water softener, the brine tank refill water is untreated.  If this is the case, and sediment is present in the incoming water, then it can accumulate in the brine tank over time.  You can try cleaning it out, and seeing if the problem reoccurs.  If dirt in your water is the culprit, then a sediment pre-filter – normally a 5-micron cartridge filter – would be the answer.

If your unit is of a design that passes water through the resin bed first, before refilling the brine tank (soft water refill, common in up-flow/counter-current designed softeners), then it may be possible that the sediment you are finding might be ion-exchange resin that is breaking down.  If this is the case, you may also be noticing a loss of water softener performance, and a possible loss of household water pressure.  In this case the resin of entire softener would need to be replaced.